Why use paid vpn when TOR is free?

Now to start, I am not saying that using TOR is better than using a paid vpn, I am asking the question. There must be a reason but I just can’t figure it out. Considering we are looking at this in a “I don’t want people to be able to trace back to me” point of view.

Its pretty common knowledge that TOR can’t really be de-anonimized unless its by an entity that has power and ressources, in which case there is pretty much no chance they’ll come after you just because you stole some random person’s passwords. Yet everywhere I look and listen, its all about VPNs and never about TOR. So why pay every month for a vpn when you can just connect to TOR and go on the internet or whatever you are doing through it for free?

What am I missing here? Thanks.

Tor and VPNs are not comparable imo.

Reasons to use VPN: Torrenting, change country
Reasons to use Tor: Privacy, evading censorship

Tor is more private, more secure, but slower.

Tor exit nodes are public afaik, therefore often blacklisted.
Also larger providers like Cloudflare, etc will send you to captcha hell

Without getting technical the simplest distinction I’d that paid VPNs are primarily designed to obfuscate your identity for accessing the mainstream web. They essentially conceal your point of origin, but not your web journey.

In contrast TOR is designed to obfuscate your access to the deep web, the unlisted, unreferenced and often systematically blocked, hidden or surveiller/criminalised bit of the deep web known as the dark web, often living in its own protocols like .onion.

VPNs are the computer equivalent of going to a bar or a nightclub with a fake ID. You’re pretending to be someone else to get in, but otherwise doing what everyone else is doing, joining the same queue, coming in by the same door, wearing normal clothes, buying the same drinks

Tor is more like the computer equivalent of trying to attend an illegal rave whose exact location you don’t yet know, where a cartel representative, a terrorist cell member, a counterfeit goods wholesaler, an Uigur human rights activist wanted by China, and an LGBT+ organisation in Saudi are all planning business and meetings, in between a few hundred ravers who found out about the venue and decided to dance there, because they like anti-normie the scene.

To go dance in your nearest nightclub of choice as a 17 year old, the fake ID may or may not get you in, but it won’t slow you down or change your behaviour compared to your 23yo sibling attending the same party.

To make the illegal rave on Tue 8pm, you may have to visit first an anarchist cafe and look for a blue poster with a specific slogan and number, then go to the street with that number and find the blue bar, and visit the table with the poster number, at that place you might then leave with whoever is sitting there to a taxi one of you knows, and that taxi will eventually get you to the hangar where the rave is happening, where all the people above are, but also a few people who might be there to keep tabs on who attends.

So whereas the VPN may add it takes you to borrow your sister’s if from her drawer and then the 15m from your house to the mainstream venue. The TOR journey to the rave will add ten stops and a few delays to your journey, and when you get there the hangar might have been shut down or the party moved to another venue, and you can’t just Google it or check your Facebook friends for the new address.

What’s more, if you use TOR to get to the mainstream party 15m from your home, you will still need to make all those extra stops, and finally tell the taxi to take you to the mainstream club, and at the door, no one will know how you got there, what route you took, but your ID may still not be valid, and be looked at more closely than with the VPN, because you didn’t arrive with anyone and don’t feel like the regular crowd.

Whereas the regular ravers using tor to make the illegal rave and merely dance might just use tor to find the venue and take a route that makes no sense to normies, ensuring no average person can guess where they’ve been, the really dodgy or persecuted or paranoid will use both to get to the illegal rave, VPN as fake ID, and tor as convoluted route to loose your amateur tails.

But no one would use Tor to visit the normal nightclub party when a VPN would do. It’s too slow, boring, and risks making it less, not easier, to actually get in.

This is sorta like arguing airbag vs steat belt. Tor is an airbag, good to a certain degree, but works better with a seat belt. A mulipoint seat belt, or daisy chained vpns, are even better. Combine that with defensive driving, or managing opsec (or to really dumb it down, don’t put your darn name out there) and you are pretty darn safe. There are always forces outside of your controll that can hit you, but less so if you put in the work.

1- There has been massive marketing campaigns for vpn for the last ten years, so non tech savy people heard about it in a way that points out the biased “fact” that a vpn might protect you from hackers or data gathering.

2 - Most VPN users use them to watch netflix, buy services from de different country and download torrents.

3 - Tor exit nodes are mostly banned from clear web.

4 - Tor is slow and not meant for torrents or streaming.

5 - Tor sites, for a lot of people, do not look like a safe and / or interesting place to browse. They are perceived like some kind of shitfest where people exchange CP, drugs, weapons et and larp as hired killers. No matter how much I love the ideals behind tor and it’s technical solution, I also have these memories of the onion sites I browsed in 2010 as an edgy teen.

So yes, here you have it, I do not think tor will become mainstream anytime soon.

Tor is so slow its like using dial up. You get routed through 3 random people with crappy internet then go through an overloaded exit node on the other side of the planet. Also the mtu size is 512 so you have to use 3x more packets.

They are not the same thing that’s why.
VPN is to tunnel you to another network especially in corporations it’s heavily used site to site. You can even split tunnel a vpn so only specific traffic goes over the VPN.

Tor enables access to a whole other part of the internet, VPN is still using clearnet.

You can use a VPN with Tor but you shouldn’t thinking of using either one as a replacement for the other.

Tor is an anti censorship and pro privacy technology
VPN is a security technology

They have similarities but more differences

There’s no blanket “better than VPN” or “best”. There are different tools with different qualities. For example:

  • ISP only (and using HTTPS): best performance, least protection

  • proxy: better performance, less protection

  • VPN: medium performance, more protection, some have more features such as ad-blocking, protects traffic from all apps

  • Tor Browser: worse performance, most protection, most likely to be blocked, doesn’t protect traffic of other apps and services and updaters etc

  • send all traffic through onion gateway: worse performance, most protection, most likely to be blocked, doesn’t support UDP, protects traffic from all apps

So, depending on which factors matter most for you, one or the other is the “best” solution.

Search who is the creator of Tor and you will know why we all choose VPN

Because I like browsing the Internet above 56k speeds

well… its very simple, tor is so much slower than vpn’s. I personally dont use any paid vpn myself, but when i need vpn i usually use a vps, install openvpn + stunnel, and am good to go.

imho vpn’s are bullshit.

Tor is so slow it’s almost unusable though?

TOR is also HTTP only…

Anything that is free means YOU are the product. (Unless open source)

Most of the fast toe exit nodes are hosted on systems all over the world but co-located in data centers in Europe and the Americas which are operated by the NSA. Oh since you’re trying to do something requiring strong anonymity on conventional web sites etc. If you using Tori your traffic will be algorithmically flagged as high risk or of concern because known tor exit nodes are updated an attitude spam lists and no

Tor is slow and you have no choice where your exit node will be (as far I know ) . Plus glowies have started running exit nodes and can see what’s going on .

With a VPN, there’s one intermediate node between you and the website you’re accessing. To be secure, you have to fully trust the VPN. Also if someone ever compromises the VPN’s security, they can spy on you.

With Tor, there are three intermediate nodes that would all have to be compromised to spy on traffic. Even if one or two of those nodes is to go rogue, you’re still safe.

So Tor is much harder to compromise because you have three intermediate layers instead of one, but the price you pay is it’s substantially slower.

Also another downside of Tor is a lot of websites will automatically be suspicious of anything coming out of the Tor network and may give you way more captchas or even deny you access entirely.

Start using tor as a vpn and you will see exactly why. I’m not against the idea, but I promise you understand why paid vpns exist

Main difference between TOR and VPN is:

Tor sends data in plaintext while a VPN encrypts the data. On the regular Internet most sites (all sites should) use HTTPS and that encrypts data as well. But bottom line is, one is never anonymous in the digital world.